Ngaire Rogers

May 22, 2017
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Categories: Daffodil Types, Species

Hi Folks,
Last year we had a vigorous discussion regarding the twelve petalled cultivar ‘Ngaire Rogers.’ Some would not even consider it a legitimate daffodil.
Malcolm Lind has shared these photos with me. I would suggest that the nay sayers think again. If the species in the wild sometimes have more than six petals then modern hybrids with the same characteristic are true narcissii. Maybe there is a recessive gene in there which sometimes shows.
In saying this one could suggest that Ngaire Rogers should be re classified as Division 1.

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7 Responses to Ngaire Rogers

  1. Denise and Neil McQuarrie, New Zealand
    May 22, 2017 at 5:41 am

    I was fascinated by Ngaire Rogers at the 2016 North Island Show, it is hard to know what classification it belongs to. I can’t see where the RHS Classification of daffodils states the number of perianth segments, for most divisions although double are described as  “One or more flowers to a stem, with doubling of the perianth segments or the corona or both.” I don’t think Ngaire Rogers fits in there.  A lovely little flower whatever division it belongs to.

     

  2. Loyce McKenzie, Mississippi
    Loyce McKenzie, Mississippi
    May 22, 2017 at 7:40 am

    Is this what you would classify as your Division 14, or novelty daffodils?

    It will never win as a trumpet, ever, I would believe.

  3. David Adams, New Zealand
    May 22, 2017 at 1:21 pm

    Loyce,
    It may not win. Maybe that is a prejudice. If three flowers of pseudonarcissus in the wild have this characteristic they should also be re classified.
    Dave, who is enjoying another discussion starter

  4. Lawrence Trevanion, Australia
    Lawrence Trevanion, Australia
    May 31, 2017 at 5:04 am

    Hi Dave,

    Late last season I pulled the petals off a double poet. There is an obvious botanical difference. Ngaire Rogers’ petals spread from a single circle off the perianth tube in the way that normal daffodils do whereas doubles appear to have a ‘doubled’ perianth tube such that the petals spread from more than one circle. Does that make sense?

  5. David Adams, New Zealand
    June 3, 2017 at 9:25 pm

    Hi Lawrence,
    Thank you for taking this discussion further and doing some homework on it. I think that the photos of several pseodonarcissus showing this characteristic are significant.
    You now have a bulb of Ngaire Rogers, sent anonymously!, for you to draw your own conclusions. I wanted it to be a surprise but your follow up has urged me to confess. We happened to be in Sydney for a day back in February.
    Dave

  6. Lawrence Trevanion, Australia
    Lawrence Trevanion, Australia
    June 5, 2017 at 4:13 pm

    Thanks Dave

    The bulb looks extremely vigorous. I hope I don’t kill it. My breeder’s eye says narrow the trumpet or perhaps split it 11a or 11b. I’m sure I will love it. Do you know if the characteristic reliably appears in the progeny?

  7. David Adams, New Zealand
    June 5, 2017 at 8:00 pm

    Lawrence,
    I believe the cultivar to be very hardy. I agree about it being ‘over-cupped.’ I am unsure of it’s fertility but having Snipe as a parent it should breed narrower.
    Dave