I’ve got these two double N poeticus in my collection. The one called “traditional” is old in the eastern parts of Norway, and one of its specific traits is that many buds just dry in without opening. Some years ago I got another one, with a known history back to the 1930s in Oslo. To me this one looks more like a cultivar. They are both equally scented. I have checked DaffSeek, there are two double W-W ones older than 1950, but none of them is similar to mine. Has anyone any idea what “Double narcissus 1930s” can be?
Mari in Norway
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Mari Marstein Konservator Gamle Hvam museum, Store-Hvamsvegen 26, 2165 Hvam Tel: 46 54 42 48 http://www.akersmus.no/gamlehvam
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Hi Mari,
Thank you, David! I have heard three reasons why it won’t flower: 1. Too dry conditions 2. Too packed soil, too packed bulbs 3. Frost after the buds have formed I have two different clones in the garden at the museum where I work, and concerning the one in the photos named “1930s” all buds develop every year! I wonder why…
Mari
I’m no expert but could it be Daphne?
Wow! So that’s what they look like when they flower in a climate supportive of their flowering! I can only imagine they smell heavenly!
Thanks for posting, Drew. Alas, I’m no help on these. Can’t flower them here.
Jason
I think the reason the double flowers often don’t open their buds as the auxin produced by the antheres is not there to complete the cycleing.
BJM Zonneveld
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Good evening Everybody,
Apologies for not responding to e-mails at the moment, but we are enjoying the most glorious weather here, so we’re cracking on outside as much as possible. As Mari will understand, we can work almost around the clock at this time of year.
Coming in for a wee sit down, I’ve looked at the attachments, and reckon they are as follows: the Doublenarcissus1930s is N. poeticus ‘Flore Pleno’ “Spalding form”, i.e. exhibits coronal petaloid segments with a red edge (the red edge has faded, which is common, particularly in sunny weather).
Double narcissus traditional is N. poeticus ‘Flore Pleno’ “Tamar Valley form”, in which the coronal petaloid segments are either absent or much smaller and are not edged with red. In dry seasons, the buds don’t open – not usually a problem here, but was a nuisance for flower growers in the valley, where the condition was called “deav”. (The river Tamar is the county boundary between Devon and Cornwall in the far west of England; the valley is very steep in parts and the south-facing slopes were second only to the Isles of Scilly for producing early daffs.)
Must awa’ outside again – doing up our old clinker loch boat so that I can go creeling for our tea, as well as working on the croft.
By the way, the new website is up and running. If I manage to get to grips with Facebook, you’ll know that it’s begun to rain again.
With very best wishes to everybody,
Kate
P.S. Sara, Thank you so much for the lit. refs – for drought, substitute monsoon.