Hummingbird, Fwd: Canyon Wren, and upper div miniatures

I should know better than to disagree with Mary Lou on ANYTHING, but here goes:

I write as a person who very rarely exhibits multifloreted miniature seedlings. My seedlings have been awarded ADS Rose Ribbons including at the National Show.  Also some of those on this list, including the late Delia Bankhead have such awards.

If we can’t exhibit our seedlings, how could anyone ever see them?

Leone
PS  I have never seen ‘Canyon Wren’.

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>>>At 02:43 PM 9/10/2009, Mary Lou Gripshover wrote: 
>>>>Hi Melissa, 
>>>>If I were judging, I wouldn’t suggest something exhibited as a 
>>>>standard should be exhibited as a miniature unless it were on the 
>>>>Approved List of Miniatures. To do so might get you a note saying 
>>>>”this is not a miniature.” 
>>>> 
>>>>I’m not sure there’s a definition of an upper division multi-floret 
>>>>miniature, as there’s no real definition of any miniature by ADS 
>>>>rules. I’d say that if an upper division multi-floret flower is NOT 
>>>>on the Approved List, then it should probably be exhibited as a 
>>>>standard. The reason I say this is that the Miniatures Committee 
>>>>members grow and evaluate many cultivars, and if they haven’t voted 
>>>>to put it on the List, they’ve probably decided it’s too big. If you 
>>>>grow something consistently small that’s not on the Miniature List, 
>>>>I’d suggest you contact Olivia Welbourn, Chairman of the Miniatures 
>>>>Committee, and ask her if the Committee would evaluate it. 
>>>> 
>>>>Mary Lou 
>>>> 
>>>>