American Daffodil Society, General, Judging, Show Prep and Exhibiting, Shows

Seedlings

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One more time.  The current ruling of ADS is that seedlings from other Growers can we shown in a show with other daffodils if the Originator’s name and seedling number is applied to the label.  The seedlings are not eligible for the Rose Ribbons unless the seedling is shown by the hybridizer.

Again for the last two years, I have heard over and over again that seedling should be eligible for the rose ribbons regardless if the seedling is exhibited by the originator, as in the case of Bill Bender, JSB Lea, Delia Bankhead and others.

Quiet honestly, we may need to examine how we treat seedling originated by other and shown my persons other than the originator.

However, I was under the impression that the
Rose Ribbons were given to seedling originated by the exhibitor to encourage the continuation of hybridizing.

Even if it is determined that something has to be done to recognize those seedling and their hybridizers that are no longer with us, I say we need to look at something other than the Rose Ribbon for that purpose.

All and all, I think it works just fine the way it is.  If someone wants to show a Lea Seedling that should be up to the Exhibitor, the same as showing Lea’s Loch Katrine.  It still honors Lea by putting his name on the numbered seedling.  To be fair to all, maybe we need to create like that movie of years ago called the Dead Poet’s Society, maybe we need to create a Dead Hybridizer’s Award.  Sorry, didn’t mean to offend, just I’m getting tired hearing about it.  I understand it was tabled at the ADS convention, and maybe it should just get left on that table.  Does anyone else have an opinions on this subject?

Clay E. Higgins
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5 comments for “Seedlings”

  1. Elements involved in the discussion of Rose Ribbons:

    HANDBOOK FOR GROWING, EXHIBITING, AND JUDGING DAFFODILS

    Page 55
    ROSE RIBBON – for the best standard seedling in th Horticulture Division exhibited by its originator, stating the designated number, classification, and parentage if known. A winner may be selected from a regular class or a class for seedlings. Container grown entries are not eligible for this award.
    Page 116
    Originator – The individual who grew the plant to first bloom.
    Page 73 Originator – The ADS considers the originator of a cultivar to be the person who first blooms it, regardless of who made the cross or planted the seed.

    Page 116
    Grower – the individual who cultivates the daffodil bulb which produces the bloom.
    Page 116
    Hybridizer – The person who makes or supervises the making of the cross, and collects or supervises the collection of the daffodil seed from which a new cultivar is produced.
    Page 73
    Seedling – A seedling is properly defined as a plant grown from seed, an unnamed cultivar. So long as it remains unnamed and unregistered, it, along with its vegetatively propagated offsets is considered a seedling.
    Page 23
    Naming and registration – To name and register a new cultivar, the originator may request etc-
    Page 24
    Naming and registration – No one should register another’s seedlings without the consent of the originator, unless the originator is deceased.

    　Scenarios
    1Hybridizer Mr. A
    Grower Mr. A
    Originator Mr. A
    Namer/Registerer Mr. A
    Exhibitor Mr. A
    Eligible for Rose Ribbon? YES
     
    2 Hybridizer Mr. A
    Grower Mr. A
    Originator Mr. A
    Namer/Registerer Mr. A
    Exhibitor Mr. B
    Eligible for Rose Ribbon? NO
     
    3 Hybridizer Mr. A
    Grower Mr. B
    Originator Mr. B
    Namer/Registerer Mr. B
    Exhibitor Mr. B
    Eligible for Rose Ribbon? YES
     
    4 Hybridizer Mr. A
    Grower say 1st 3 yrs Mr. A
    Grower 4th yr to bloom Mr. B
    Originator Mr. B
    Namer/Registerer Mr. B
    Exhibitor Mr. B
    Eligible for Rose Ribbon? YES
     
    5 Hybridizer Mr. A
    Grower Mr. A
    Originator Mr. A
    Namer/Registerer Mr. B
    Exhibitor Mr. B
    Eligible for Rose Ribbon? NO
     
    Maybe I’m not seeing all scenarios but I don’t perceive the current status creating problems.  Denis Dailey

  2. Denis,

    The current status works.  And, thank you for that information.  It’s the same as in my book.

    The problem is when someone (a thrid party- not the hybridizer) wants to enter a seedling into the show for a hybridizer that is no longer with us, and they want the seedling to be considered for the Rose Ribbon. 

    In this case, the person entering the seedling is not the originator (or does not want to take credit as the originator as others was the hybridizer), even if the hybridizer never bloomed the daffodil, or they do not want to take credit as the originator, but want to give credit to the person that is no longer with us and have the flower considered for the Rose Ribbon. 

    That should be confusing enough.  It’s the fine points that is hard to split.

    Clay

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  3. 2010/4/14 james rogers < title=>

    I would like to hear from
    hybridizers aout their unselected
    seedlings.
          I feel that a selected seedling 
    is already a selected seedling and
    can be shown under number and
    not for the Rose ribbon except by the
    hybridizer, what about unselected
    clones- should they be eligible for
    selection? And what about seedlings
    that bloom after a hybridizer has left
    his field behind?
         I am not just trying to stir things up-
    so please do not get stirred up :o))
    I just wonder what are the reasonable answers
    For now it is clear to me that these
    flowers are the legacy of the hybridizer and
    cannot be shown without permission.
    I suppose naming is another hornet's nest
    John Beck
  4. Yes. I believe that if the seedling was grown and bloomed by the deceased, the person who inherited it cannot exhibit it as the originator. If the person inherited it in the grass stage and was growing the plant when it first bloomed, they can become the originator, exhibit it as a seedling, name and register it as the originator. Denis Dailey
     
    On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Franca70 < title=> wrote:

    I believe that the concern was of a Daffodil person who is deceased.  The fields were given to a
    Daffy person who wants to show the blooms – those already in bloom and those still in the "grass"
    stage.  Any ideas?????

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