The rules

I think we should take into account the size of the United States vs. the British Isles.  Not only are our states vastly different in climate and soil and weather patterns, so are our members different from each other from one part of the country to the next.  There is no doubt some areas like to keep things very simple or layed back while others go to wild extremes to produce shows that focus on what some might think is absolute minutia. 
 
So long as we remain one society, we must remain focused on the same rules which must be carefully applied by all.  Rules here, more than anywhere else, are what unify and bind us together.  If we even start to let that slide, our awards will become meaningless and people’s enthusiasm to win them will fade, and the confidence that everyone’s exhibit is treated equally across the country will be eroded. 
 
I recognize Brian’s focus is on the flower itself and no one can be surprised by that.  I hope that never changes.
But it can’t be overlooked  that it is very often THE GAME of EXHIBITING that many of us find fascinating and appealing, particularly those of us who are no longer beginners.  I know I am not alone when I say it is almost as much fun just to stage a large collection as it is to win one, since THE GAME of meeting the schedule rules and the class criteria is the challenge, while winning the ribbon is only the icing on the cake. 
 
I think a judge’s primary purpose here is to KNOW and to carry out the rules of the ADS Handbook and the rules of the specific show they are asked to judge, not just to “grant awards.”  ADS judges have no authority to make up the rules as they go along, just as no show chairman can change a schedule once it has been approved.  We should avoid figity nit picking, for sure, and I’m sure that’s what Judge Quinn was referring to, but we should all stick like glue to the rules, for the sake of fairness and the good of the ADS. 
 
Chriss
 
 
 
 

9 comments for “The rules

  1. Dear Brian
    You of course may consider your self an outsider, but I feel that the description of a respected ADS member is most appropriate too!
    Please keep sharing any opinion you have with all of us
    John Beck

  2. With all due respect for other countries rules, in which I agree with some and think that they have merit, I agree with Chriss. It is tremendously important that we have a set of rules and that we stick to them for fairness to all.

    That said, I do think judges in the ADS has some discretion and I have seen that exercised by some of our more senior judges. But like Chriss, I get as much fun out of exhibiting collections and meeting the rules as I do in winning the ribbon. To me the ribbon is secondary, however, I do know that ribbons are very important to my 40-45 new and small growers at the NE North Carolina Daffodil Society. I’ve seen more enthusiasm for a white ribbon honorable mention by a new person as I have seen experience exhibitors winning a blue ribbon. LOL

  3. Chriss and All,
    Ouch!! My goodness! What a tirade my few simple and well intentioned remarks have sparked. Just maybe this illustrates the background that justifies my remarks, which I certainly do not retract. I take a more liberal and humane view – rules are necessary, yes, but let them be not too restrictive and be the minimum to assure fair play –  and let the interpretation be as liberal as possible to ensure that exhibiting daffodils can still be fun.
    Interestingly I had a private message of support from a respected and senior ADS member – I replied that I wished it had been posted to Daffnet as well as to me privately – the response might have warned me of what might be coming as it was something to the effect that “That’s not the hill I want to die on”.  If it’s as serious as that then I never should have dared express an opinion – I’m an outsider and it’s none of my business, but the temptation to ‘stir’ was strong. From now on I’d better be mute. Alas, too late!
    No offence Chriss – I enjoyed the exchange.
    Brian


  4. In a message dated 5/19/2010 5:41:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  title= writes:

    “That’s not the hill I want to die on”.  If it’s as serious as that then I never should have dared express an opinion – I’m an outsider and it’s none of my business, but the temptation to ‘stir’ was strong. From now on I’d better be mute. Alas, too late!

    Brian, nobody is going  to kill over your comments.
    And Daffnet would be all the poorer if we couldn’t freely post our opinions and react to the opinions of others. It’s a great forum.
    Brains need food for thought to keep from starving!
    Bill Lee


  5. Yes, please don’t stifle the free speech! It’s what makes Daffnet so educational!
    I go by the rules, but I like to hear all sides. And if someone wants to change the rules, goes through proper channels, and a majority of the board in attendance at the meeting agrees, rules can be changed. Who’d have thought we could ever legally snip off a dead floret from a multi-headed bloom! Miracles do happen! ;->
    that daffy girl near Nashville Becky Fox Matthews

  6. Becky,
    That was not a miracle: “””Who’d have thought we could ever legally snip off a dead floret from a multi-headed bloom!Miracles do happen! That was a disgrace.

    clay

  7. Hey Brian,  Don’t think you owe anyone an apology.  This is so fascinating for someone who does not show and has no interest in showing.  However, love reading all of this.
     
    Jill Griesse

  8. Jill voices my exact sentiments.  One can always learn the proverbial something new in so many different ways.
    Sandy Casteel

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