Stephen Vinisky, Oregon

White/Orange Standard Trumpet

March 26, 2013
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Categories: Breeding, Daffodil Types, Fertility, General, Hybridizing, Seedling, Shows, Standards

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Here are three photos of the nicest 1W-O seedling to flower here so far. Three quarter, front, and side views are of: V06-45-24 =[(Denali x Crown Gold) x (Y3-4 ( is an Evans 1W-W) x Lutana)]

I do like the narrowish trumpet base which I feel adds refinement. The color is not as stable as I’d like as it fades somewhat with age. I’m excited to see this further combined with both Elise Havens and  Dr. John Reeds superb 1W-O’s. Note that the Y3-4  grandparent is a Murray Evans white seedling from : (Cataract x Vapor Trail). The overall cross combines Mitsch/Havens, Murray Evans, and Jamie Radcliff’s choicest parents.

Steve

V06-45-24 ; 1W-O = [(Denali x Crown Gold) x (Y3-4 x Lutana)
Three Quarter View

V06-45-24 ; 1W-O = [(Denali x Crown Gold) x (Y3-4 x Lutana)
Front View

V06-45-24 ; 1W-O = [(Denali x Crown Gold) x (Y3-4 x Lutana)
Side View Showing pose and neck

 

6 responses to “White/Orange Standard Trumpet”

  1. Bob Johnson, California says:

    I like the long narrow cup bathed in orange with a little yellow color on the rim. When you look at the flower the 1ST thing that I noticed are the broad shoulders of the perianth – the bloom squares up very nice. Thank you for sharing all your newbies with us Steve !

  2. Larry Force, Mississippi Larry Force, Mississippi says:

    Very Nice orange trumpet Steve. I like the narrow trumpet also, very elegant. Interesting hybridizing concept of arriving at the 1w-o destination. I have used 1w-y’s but not 1w-w’s. Seems to have worked for you. Looks like you, Dr Reed, and of course Brian Duncan are well along the way in developing the elusive 1w-o’s. Thanks for posting.

    Brian, if you are out there, would like to see some of your 1w-o advancements.

  3. Hi Bob and Larry,

    Thanks for your comments! I frankly believe that John Reed’s flowers are better overall as they grow here, than those I’ve been able to muster. John’s ‘Millenium Orange’ is still the one to beat in my estimation. Truly world class.

    Larry – I’ve used 1W-P’s, 1W-Y’s, 1W-W’s, 1Y-P’s, and 1Y-O’s in the quest for 1W-O’s and 1W-R’s. The narrow base of the trumpet on the above reflects both ‘Denali’ and ‘Vapor Trail’/’Cataract’ in character and style. I like trumpets with the tubular style as well but find a narrow base trumpet supremely elegant. The parents I used are much paler in the “O” but intensified significantly in the F2 or when combined.

    The reason for the wide range of trumpet parents is that Dr. Norito Hasegawa (Harold K’s former orchid breeding partner) suggested that, in orchid breeding, they found that sometimes changing an existing color gave better results than accumulating (intensifying) bits of color over generations. I’ve tried to apply Norito’s idea or observation with orchids in daffodil hybridizing.

    Steve

  4. Jason Delaney, Missouri Jason Delaney, Missouri says:

    Steve,

    My best 1W-O seedlings for overall habit (like ‘Orpha’) have come from 1W-Ps x 2W-Os, and their reciprocal crosses (‘Pink Silk’ as the trumpet, x ‘Crown Gold’, ‘Oregon Lights’, ‘Lutana’; tho by today’s standards ‘Pink Silk’ is really pale as a breeder for getting trumpet length into this class, at least in our climate).  My most colorful 1W-O seedlings have come from 1W-P x 1Y-O/Rs.  Yet again, what I used ten years ago was by today’s standars pale, but the orange and white trumpet results confirmed (for me) the F1 possibility of such crosses.

    This year I will begin seeing a larger sampling of first-year flowers of 1W-Ys x 1Y-O/Rs.  What flowered last year proved that this, too, will generate 1W-Os in the F1.  (An interesting cross I made about seven years ago, just to see what would happen, was ‘Pops Legacy’ x ‘Nor-Nor’. The’ve started flowering and last year there was one distinctly intermediate 1W-O, not richly colored, but orange nonetheless.  Last year’s 95F temperature wasn’t exactly the best to display one’s maiden bloom in!)

    My more recent crosses for 1W-O and 1W-R (tomato-orange-red, not red-pink—I’ll leave that pure color for you professional daffodil breeders!  😉  ) have invovled crossing John Reed’s ‘Tangerine Delight’ and other 1W-O seedlings from his stables, with strongly colored flowers like Elise Havens’ ‘Rose Lake’, Larry Wier’s richly colored and strong ‘Flashpoint’, and John Reed’s (seasonally) intensely colored, full-on trumpet 1W-R, ‘Flaming Silk’, crossing these flowers both ways to see what becomes of it.  I’ve also been revving up the crosses in the 1W-P x 1Y-R arena, using things like ‘Oregon Trail’, ‘John Emmet’, ‘Changing Day’, various seedlings, and your brilliantly colored and superb grower, ‘Pumpkin Ridge’.  These, crossed onto the aforementioned pink trumpets or borderline large-cupped/trumpets, should yeild something of rich color… and something good!  It should reason that more intensely colored parents would yeild more intensely colored progeny. 

    Perhaps one of my most off-beat crosses (attempting to capture the coronal bleed onto the perianths in both parents for a potentially richly concolorous flower…I was aiming for P-P, or O-P, which didn’t happen…. it was the very first year I made crosses and I was guessing…) was ‘Creag Dubh’ x ‘Raspberry Rose’.  Interesting thing, I exclusively flowered long-cupped 2W-Os and a couple of 1W-Os as a result.  The white is poet-white in some, and toned in others, and the coronas range from rich tangerine to the most bizarre coppery-tan.  None are really that great, but what an unexpected outcome.

    Keep up your good work in all of the classes, Steve—but especially in your w-o and y-o/r trumpets.  They’re special!

    Jason

     

  5. Brian Duncan, Northern Ireland Brian Duncan, Northern Ireland says:

    Larry and all,

    I’m following this thread with great interest as I am working towards 1W-O after a very late start. So far I’ve registered only two – ‘Prime Target’ and ‘Seville Orange’. Like everyone else i have  many seedlings in the pipeline at various stages. Like Steve I think John Reed is probably ahead at present and I am pleased to be using some of his best named things as well as those from Elise and a couple of Jamie Radcliff seedlings. As for nearly all other ‘new’ developments it seems that progress around the world seems to happen simultaneiusly. I think I have achieved desired colour, form, trumpet length, size, stem length and vigour in my 1W-O/R programme – alas, not all in the one flower!! And so the quest continues. I wish we kneew more about Fred Silcock’s flowers – several years ago it was reported he was well ahead in the 1W-O class so i’m sure he has some wonderful flowers. Sorry no photos – have not mastered the art of posting yet. see Daffseek, I think both of above are there.

    Brian

     

  6. Jason and Brian,

    John Reed’s creative and thoughtful theory (since proven in practice) was to primarily use bicolor trumpets as parents that were known to intensify in color as they aged and NOT “pale out”. I remember him reporting some success on one huge first generation cross of ‘Preamble’ x ‘Johann Strauss’. Purists and exhibitors might have shuddered but such crosses gave John the necessary “building blocks” needed to take things to the next level with his future crosses.

    The above seedling photo of mine does lighten with age and warm temperatures. Undoubtedly this is due to my use of the white trumpets. I guess that like Brian I have yet to combine all the desired attributes in a single “package”.

    Jason, I think you have the potential to flower some great things by using pinks!

    Steve