Brian Duncan, Northern Ireland

3847 – full face, 3847 – in profile

November 15, 2018

Categories: Hybridizing, Seedling

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What’s the view? Is this seedling – Wow! ? Bah! ? Pretty ? Ugly ?
Commercial ? A keeper ? A Discard ? Or shoot the breeder ?

3847 – full face
3847 – in profile


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12 Responses to 3847 – full face, 3847 – in profile

  1. Jason Delaney, Missouri
    Jason Delaney, Missouri
    November 16, 2018 at 8:58 am

    Uh, yeah, about that:  INTRODUCE IT.  Or send the stock to my address!  If nothing else, I would cover every pistil with tazetta or jonquil pollen; from its downward stance, this may also lend itself to triandrus breeding.  All for more decorative flowers, of course, bringing potentially more more fun into each division.   I personally think it’s a beauty in its own right, but everyone knows my opinion about these sorts of flowers!  Hope all is well, Brian.  Thanks for sharing!

  2. Linda Wallpe, Ohio
    November 16, 2018 at 9:26 am

    Hi Brian –

    What I think:

    It’s not a show flower for serious exhibitors

    BUT   people touring their first show will stop dead in their tracks

    and children romping in a garden will want to pick it and take it home.

    It’s not  ‘all about us ‘.    : )


    PS>  Ben, I like using emoticons, maybe we could have some in the upgrade ?

  3. Naomi Liggett, Ohio
    November 16, 2018 at 10:37 am

    I agree it would show well in the garden. Needs a better perianth for show table.

    Sent from my iPad

  4. Theo Sanders, Germany
    Theo Sanders, Germany
    November 16, 2018 at 11:32 pm


    The colours and the form of the corona are impressive. It may be of commercial interest. What are the parents?



  5. Oleg Amekhin, Ukraine
    November 17, 2018 at 5:31 pm

    An interesting seedling, above all a strong corrugation of the crown. I
    would use for further selection. He has not smooth petals.


    сб, 17 нояб. 2018 г. в 09:33, daffnet <>:

  6. Brian Duncan, Northern Ireland
    Brian Duncan, Northern Ireland
    November 19, 2018 at 2:30 am


    You may get more information than you wanted. I checked the parents and grand parents and the many breeders involved –

    They include – Jac. Lefeber, Brodie of Brodie, Guy L. Wilson, Lionel Richardson and mainly Grant E. Mitsch, Dr John Reed & myself.

    Details below :-

    3847 2 or 11Y-R ? = Reed Sdg. 94-101-1 x Rocoza 2YYW-P (Duncan)

    94-101-1 11Y-P = (Old Satin 2Y-Y x Eclat 2W-YPP) x Phantom 11aW-P x Lorikeet 1Y-P)

    Rocoza = Oregon Pioneer 2Y-P (Mitsch) x Azocor 1Y-P (Duncan)

    Old Satin 2Y-Y (Mitsch) = Green Island 2W-GWY (Richardson) x Chinese White 3W-W (G.L.Wilson)

    Eclat 2W-YYP (Mitsch) = Caro Nome 2W-WPP (Mitsch) x Accent 2W-P (Mitsch)

    Phantom 11aWP (Mitsch) = Accent 2W-P (Mitsch) x (Wild Rose 2W-P (Brodie) x Hillbilly 11aY-Y (Lefeber)

    Lorikeet 1Y-P (Mitsch) = Rima 1Y-P (self pollinated)

    Oregon Pioneer 2Y-P (Mitsch) =(Wigeon x Pink Silk)

    Azocor 1Y-P (Duncan) = Rosegold 1Y-P (Duncan) x Fidelity 2Y-P (Mitsch)

    From this I think it is obvious that the intensity of colour came primarily from Accent – itself bred from guy Wilsons ‘Interim’ (registered 74 years ago)

    that had such an influence in the development of deeper pink and red pink colours. Also, so many other ‘relatives’ were bred by Grant Mitsch – we breeders who have

    followed owe so much to those who have gone before.

    Anyone who bothers to read the above will probably find it very boring – but I’ve been interested to be reminded that I have grown all the flowers listed except one – Hillbilly.


  7. Oleg Amekhin, Ukraine
    November 19, 2018 at 10:13 am

    Thank you!
    Maybe try to do sibcrossing?

    пн, 19 нояб. 2018 г. в 12:35, daffnet <>:

  8. Nancy Tackett, California
    Nancy Tackett, California
    November 19, 2018 at 7:27 pm

    John and Marie Hunter just sent this message and interesting photo:

    Attached is a photo of Johns seedling 97/97A from (Corofin x Placid) x Can Can Girl, this has a similar double frilled crown to the seedling that Brian Duncan posted to daffnet. Thought you maybe interested.

    We have collected nearly all the seed from the 40 crosses John made this year. He is finding it hard to do as much as he used to, he gets very tired and has trouble walking. This getting old is no good now we are both in our 80’s. We have had our ground certified for exporting, so will start digging in January. I am in the process of getting a list ready.

    We will send a couple of bulbs for the ADS to auction for their fundraising for daffnet.

    Regards to you and Ben,

    Marie and John


  9. Theo Sanders, Germany
    Theo Sanders, Germany
    November 21, 2018 at 9:47 am

    Brian, Marie and John,

    The double frilled crowns of the two seedlings come obviously from one split corona parent. The characteristic should be dominant, which means in this case that one half of the descendants of crosses with other non-split standard daffodils also has double frilled or split coronas,


  10. David Adams, New Zealand
    November 22, 2018 at 1:47 am

    Check out Modern Art from 1973. These flowers have been around for a long time. Modern Art multiplies like a weed here and sells out very quickly.

  11. Oleg Amekhin, Ukraine
    November 22, 2018 at 4:11 pm

    Hardly. The Modern Arts genotype hardly contains the lycopene gene.
    Although his ancestors are not known, but by their phenotype this is the
    dominant yellow / orange. The lycopene gene is recessive, so even if it is,
    it will not appear in the first generation. In the second generation, it is
    necessary to grow *so* many seedlings so that one recessive appears. This
    is not peas, daffodils in the vast majority – tetraploids.
    Brian’s seedling has a pink red crown. Look at its origin – this is a long
    line of crosses of pink.varieties or non
    pink but having half or three quarters of the lycopene gene dose.

    чт, 22 нояб. 2018 г. в 11:47, daffnet <>:

  12. David Adams, New Zealand
    November 22, 2018 at 6:34 pm

    Thanks Oleg,
    I was thinking form, not colour.