Mary Lou Gripshover, Ohio

Help with ID, please?

April 15, 2019

Categories: Daffodil Types, Intermediates

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Friends, my records show that I bought this cultivar in 1992 at the Ameriflora expo in Columbus, as ‘Tamar Fire’.  It should be a double, but as you can see, it’s not.  It’s a lovely intermediate-sized cultivar, about 72mm diameter, and deserves a name.  It’s not a good grower, as I only got about 6 blooms this year.  It’s obviously old, and likely from Holland.  Any suggestions for a name?

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21 Responses to Help with ID, please?

  1. Larry Force, Mississippi
    Larry Force, Mississippi
    April 15, 2019 at 6:08 pm

    Could it be Bantam 2y-y00

  2. Mary Lou Gripshover, Ohio
    Mary Lou Gripshover, Ohio
    April 15, 2019 at 6:38 pm

    Thanks for the suggestion, Larry, but the photos of ‘Bantam’ in Daffseek seem to me to have flatter cups.

  3. Malcolm Wheeler, New Zealand
    Malcolm Wheeler, New Zealand
    April 15, 2019 at 7:18 pm

    definitely not Bantam, more like Entente

  4. Mary Lou Gripshover, Ohio
    Mary Lou Gripshover, Ohio
    April 16, 2019 at 6:46 am

    Thanks, Malcolm.  Yes it does look like it,  but ‘Entente’ is listed with a diameter of 110mm, much bigger than my flower.  Also, I got this in 1992, and ‘Entente’ wasn’t registered until 1996.  Any other suggestions?

  5. Ian Tyler, England
    Ian Tyler, England
    April 16, 2019 at 8:24 am

    Mary Lou,
    How does N. Aberfoyle fit your flower I notice on daffseek
    one picture has a small rim?

  6. Mary Lou Gripshover, Ohio
    Mary Lou Gripshover, Ohio
    April 16, 2019 at 3:03 pm

    Thanks, Ian.  But I doubt that’s what I have.  I got it in 1992 and it wasn’t registered until 1994.  Also, Aberfoyle is a larger flower.  Any other suggestions?

    Mary Lou

  7. Brian Duncan, Northern Ireland
    Brian Duncan, Northern Ireland
    April 17, 2019 at 5:43 am

    It looks like ‘State Express’ – but it is an excellent grower.

  8. Mary Lou Gripshover, Ohio
    Mary Lou Gripshover, Ohio
    April 17, 2019 at 10:18 am

    Thanks, Brian.  I could hardly get by with exhibiting ‘State Express’ as an Intermediate, could I?  🙂

    But thanks for the suggestion.

  9. Oleg Amekhin, Ukraine
    April 22, 2019 at 7:16 pm

    Dear friend Mary Lou,

    I have bloomed a similar variety, named Red Devon. Maybe this is it?
    ср, 17 апр. 2019 г. в 20:18, daffnet < title=>:

  10. Mary Lou Gripshover, Ohio
    Mary Lou Gripshover, Ohio
    April 23, 2019 at 5:01 pm

    Thank you for the suggestion, Oleg.  I looked for Red Devon in Daffseek, and it certainly could by my mystery flower.

    Thanks again,

    Mary Lou

  11. Oleg Amekhin, Ukraine
    April 24, 2019 at 12:56 am

    I’m glad I was helpful to you. Here is my photo. And I also have a question
    by name. Two new varieties bloomed this spring, both reverse colored.

    ср, 24 апр. 2019 г. в 03:01, daffnet < title=>:

    24.04.19 red devon 001.1

    24.04.19 reverse 007.1

    24.04.19 reverse pink 008.1

  12. Mary Lou Gripshover, Ohio
    Mary Lou Gripshover, Ohio
    April 25, 2019 at 7:19 am

    Maybe the reverse is ‘Avalon’, but I’ve no idea about the yellow pink.


  13. Oleg Amekhin, Ukraine
    April 26, 2019 at 11:58 am

    I am very grateful for your answer.Yes, the white reverse is most likely
    the Avalon.Regarding Pink Reverse – I looked at a photos from daffsek, he
    remind me of Aurora Borealis, but I do not know what height it is. My
    plants have a low stem.


    чт, 25 апр. 2019 г. в 17:20, daffnet < title=>:

  14. Oleg Amekhin, Ukraine
    April 26, 2019 at 12:24 pm

    Maybe this is Lorikeet, I just don’t remember him. I remember that was also


    пт, 26 апр. 2019 г. в 22:00, daffnet < title=>:

  15. Lawrence Trevanion, Australia
    Lawrence Trevanion, Australia
    April 27, 2019 at 9:27 am

    Is it possible the Y-P is Billy Graham. Here it was late season.

  16. Oleg Amekhin, Ukraine
    April 27, 2019 at 3:57 pm

    Thank you Lawrence,

    Well, these bulbs came from Holland, so it is unlikely.
    But thanks for the suggestion.


    сб, 27 апр. 2019 г. в 19:27, daffnet < title=>:

  17. Wayne Brown, Australia
    Wayne Brown, Australia
    May 12, 2019 at 4:39 am

    Billy Graham was bred in Holland…. Here’s the Facebook note from

    Willem Leenen This daffodil was raised by my father

    to Victorian Daffodil Society.

    But I don’t think your flower is Billy Graham which has grown a little longer in the cup, and more refined than your picture.  Also standing tall!  Maybe yours is Lorikeet which was squatter and more course in my experience.

    Billy Graham  2 YYW-P pre-2001 unreg.





  18. Ben Blake, California
    Ben Blake, California
    May 12, 2019 at 12:22 pm


    Daffseek and the RHS registration data indicate the raiser of ‘Billy Graham’ is unknown.

    Do you know of any records that show Willem Leenen as the raiser (hybridizer) of ‘Billy Graham’ which we can use to update Daffseek?

    I tried to find the Facebook note but could not see it.


    Ben Blake,

    Daffseek Developer

  19. Ian Tyler, England
    Ian Tyler, England
    May 12, 2019 at 1:34 pm

    Some years ago I had 3 x N.Rapture that won the 1st prise at 3 Shows over 3
    weekends, after each show I put them in my daffodil fridge until the next
    After the 3rd show I put them back in the fridge and forgot all about them.
    When some weeks later I went to put some beer in I found the now dead N.
    Rapture still in situ
    and reported the fact on daffnet!
    About 6 weeks later I received an In Deepest Sympathy card in the post from
    New Zealand, with the message ‘Sorry to hear about the death of your
    It was signed, John Hunter.
    That what friends are for!
    Regards to all,

  20. Oleg Amekhin, Ukraine
    May 12, 2019 at 9:31 pm

    Thank for your ansver Wayne,
    I think you are right. “BIlly Graham” has a different form of petals. They
    are somewhat narrower to the tips.
    Thanks for the photo.


    вс, 12 мая 2019 г. в 23:35, daffnet < title=>:

  21. Wayne Brown, Australia
    Wayne Brown, Australia
    May 13, 2019 at 8:48 am
    Hi Ben

    The note quoted is on Victoria Daffodil Society page in response to two “Billy Graham” pics posted on 5th of March 2018.

    I hope you can find it.  For me it shed light on the unknown origins of the flower.