Bradley McCarson, South Carolina

Narcissus deficiens (miniatus)

October 4, 2019
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Categories: Autumn Blooming Daffodils, Daffodil Types, Hybridizing, Miniatures, Seedling, Species

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My first N.deficiens flowering after just 3 short years from seed.

This is my first Narcissus ever to bloom from seed.

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5 Responses to Narcissus deficiens (miniatus)

  1. Mary Lou Gripshover, Ohio
    Mary Lou Gripshover, Ohio
    October 4, 2019 at 11:54 am

    Good for you, Bradley.  It took me 5 years to get bloom from seed, may 4 if I was lucky.  Nice pics, too.

  2. Bradley McCarson, South Carolina
    Bradley McCarson, South Carolina
    October 6, 2019 at 12:07 pm

  3. Harold Koopowitz, California
    Harold Koopowitz, California
    October 13, 2019 at 3:52 pm

    The name N. deficiens was applied by Haworth to a specimen that had no corona – hence the name. His rather poor drawing suggests that there were leaves at the time of flowering. N. miniatus has a corona and no leaves when it flowers, N. deficiens cannot be equated to N. miniatus, no matter how much certain taxonomists would like to do that. Unfortunately, Haworth made no herbarium specimens so we do not know what the plant he described actually was. Remember that the RHS is not always correct.

    Harold

  4. David Adams, New Zealand
    October 13, 2019 at 6:45 pm

    In May I received some seeds of deficiens from Harold. There must be 5oo that have germinated over the last couple of days. I will be interested to monitor its progress. Thanks for your kindness Harold.

  5. Brian Duncan, Northern Ireland
    Brian Duncan, Northern Ireland
    October 14, 2019 at 4:10 am

    Harold,

    I admire your stout defence of your creation of the name N. miniatus. This debate is likely to run, there are many opinions

    amongst reputable botanists and taxonomists and thankfully the miniatus name now seems to be losing credence. I am neither

    botanist or taxonomist, just a keen observer in the wild and a follower of opinion.

    I will be glad when the name N. obsoletus properly replaces both deficiens and miniatus as currently applied by separate groups to

    the ‘Orange morphe’ of N. serotinus.

    Unfortunately you and others have tried to apply the name obsoletus to the very beautiful Spanish version of N. elegans, a proposal

    that I hope will not catch on. Comparison of the Spanish and other N. African or Island forms of elegans is due and I understand Fernandez Casas

    has an opinion about the Spanish form.

    You are right – the RHS may not always be right – indeed a big mistake was to give credence to the name N. miniatus by prematurely

    publishing it in the RHS Daffodil and Tulip Year Book 2005/6. For a while many of us accepted the name – indeed most of the photographs under the

    name N. miniatus in Daffseek are from my camera! Something I may need to address.

    Botany/Taxonomy are funny professions – open to all opinions – but without any regulatory policeman. And so we are allowed to differ.

    Best regards,

    Brian