Nancy Tackett, California

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June 26, 2008
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Nancy Tackett
Kerrville Texas

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Can you tell me how tall Kokopelli grows?
 
Debbie Gillaspy
K. Van Bourgondien
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Virginia Beach, VA 23453
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8 responses to “Question came to Daffnet”

  1. Clay Higgins says:

    Deborah,
    That question is a “Pandora’s Box” question.  Kokopelli is claimed to be a miniature by some and a standard by others because of it’s size.  Bob Spots, the originator and hybridizer, states it can be miniature or standard depending on how and where it it grown.
    Kokopelli is not on the American Daffodil Society listing for miniature daffodils; however,
    In my garden, I grow it in three or more places.  In one place it is next to and no larger than Fenben a 7Y-Y miniature that is at most 8 to 10 inches tall. Kokopelli has one or two small florets.
    In another place, it is with better soil and grows from 12 to 14 inches tall with multiple florets. Sort of between miniature and standard.
    In my seedling bed where I haven’t moved it out, it’s totally a standard and this year it was over 18 inches and had three fairly good size florets. N. jonquilla “Early Louisiana” variety does the same thing in this bed and it’s normally a miniature.
    I hoped this helped, but I think it may have confused for than helped.
    clay

    Clay Higgins
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  2. Clay Higgins says:

    Deborah,
    That question is a “Pandora’s Box” question.  Kokopelli is claimed to be a miniature by some and a standard by others because of it’s size.  Bob Spots, the originator and hybridizer, states it can be miniature or standard depending on how and where it it grown.
    Kokopelli is not on the American Daffodil Society listing for miniature daffodils; however,
    In my garden, I grow it in three or more places.  In one place it is next to and no larger than Fenben a 7Y-Y miniature that is at most 8 to 10 inches tall. Kokopelli has one or two small florets.
    In another place, it is with better soil and grows from 12 to 14 inches tall with multiple florets. Sort of between miniature and standard.
    In my seedling bed where I haven’t moved it out, it’s totally a standard and this year it was over 18 inches and had three fairly good size florets. N. jonquilla “Early Louisiana” variety does the same thing in this bed and it’s normally a miniature.
    I hoped this helped, but I think it may have confused for than helped.
    clay

    Clay Higgins
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  3. Nancy Wilson says:

    Dear Deborah,
    I concur with Clay.  For me in California Kokopelli can grow to standard proportions.  I have seen it small and in the Miniature Section in Shows.  ADS has a Miniature Committee that deals with these issues and as you can see, this is a hard issue.  You will find that many daffodils grow differently in different climates.  It is a challenge.  However, Kokopelli is a wonderful flower and should be grown by all.  You could enter it in a Miniature Collection if it appeared Miniature at the time.  However you might find it not considered for a ribbon because a judge had a different opinion.  I agree it is confusing and will be unless ADS sets measurement parameters for Miniatures.
    Nancy R. WilsonOriginal Message —–

  4. Nancy Wilson says:

    Dear Deborah,
    I concur with Clay.  For me in California Kokopelli can grow to standard proportions.  I have seen it small and in the Miniature Section in Shows.  ADS has a Miniature Committee that deals with these issues and as you can see, this is a hard issue.  You will find that many daffodils grow differently in different climates.  It is a challenge.  However, Kokopelli is a wonderful flower and should be grown by all.  You could enter it in a Miniature Collection if it appeared Miniature at the time.  However you might find it not considered for a ribbon because a judge had a different opinion.  I agree it is confusing and will be unless ADS sets measurement parameters for Miniatures.
    Nancy R. WilsonOriginal Message —–

  5. Loyce McKenzie, Mississippi Loyce McKenzie says:
    As Bob once explained it to me, often new bulbs and/or first blooms of ‘Kokopelli’ are small enough, even on a multi-stem, to be a miniature(as it usually is in our climate.) But sometimes the second year, or maybe even with a vigorous and floriferous stem with four blooms, the total effect is much too large to let it be a true miniature. I once read a note in the RHS Yearbook’s account of a British show about a particular stem of ‘Kokopelli’ having too many blooms to present the miniature effect, and therefore it was not given the ribbon.
    I’m afraid we’ll be arguing this one as long as we have daffodils and shows and judges and new blooms and second-year-down bulbs blooming–and isn’t  a delightful flower!  Remember that picture of a whole field of ‘Kokopelli’ on the World Convention tour,with Bob happily in the middle of it.
    As for me, I no longer enter ‘Kokopelli’ in collections—just single stems.
    Loyce McKenzie
    Zone 8A

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  6. Loyce McKenzie, Mississippi Loyce McKenzie says:
    As Bob once explained it to me, often new bulbs and/or first blooms of ‘Kokopelli’ are small enough, even on a multi-stem, to be a miniature(as it usually is in our climate.) But sometimes the second year, or maybe even with a vigorous and floriferous stem with four blooms, the total effect is much too large to let it be a true miniature. I once read a note in the RHS Yearbook’s account of a British show about a particular stem of ‘Kokopelli’ having too many blooms to present the miniature effect, and therefore it was not given the ribbon.
    I’m afraid we’ll be arguing this one as long as we have daffodils and shows and judges and new blooms and second-year-down bulbs blooming–and isn’t  a delightful flower!  Remember that picture of a whole field of ‘Kokopelli’ on the World Convention tour,with Bob happily in the middle of it.
    As for me, I no longer enter ‘Kokopelli’ in collections—just single stems.
    Loyce McKenzie
    Zone 8A

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  7. Clay Higgins says:

    Loyce,
    The Kokopelli that grows as a miniature for me is planted in NC sand with a little mulch on top and it gets no watering.
    the one that grows medium size grows in “improved” sand with a little water and pine bark mulch.
    the one that grows large for me is growing in “top soil” with pine straw mulch and a lot of water during blooming season.
    The bottom line, Kokopelli, produces according to how nice you treat it.  A lot like some people I know. LOL
    clay

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  8. Clay Higgins says:

    Loyce,
    The Kokopelli that grows as a miniature for me is planted in NC sand with a little mulch on top and it gets no watering.
    the one that grows medium size grows in “improved” sand with a little water and pine bark mulch.
    the one that grows large for me is growing in “top soil” with pine straw mulch and a lot of water during blooming season.
    The bottom line, Kokopelli, produces according to how nice you treat it.  A lot like some people I know. LOL
    clay

    Clay Higgins
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