To those interested in historic daffodils,
I have just been reading the ADS list of historic daffodils and cannot quite understand why the variety ‘Ave’ is in the pre 1940 list, as the 1935 supposed version of ‘Ave’ appears to have never been commercially listed and was apparently discarded.
A later cultivar named ‘Ave’ was raised by Guy L Wilson that first flowered in 1942 and selected in 1943 under the No.32/75, its breeding being ‘Truth’ x ‘Slemish’. The earlier 1935 discarded version could not have been bred from these same parents because the following time frame does not allow a four to five year flowering cycle. ‘Truth’ was from either a selection in 1933 (cross 22/7) or 1934 (23/6). The breeding of both of these crosses was ‘Naxos’ x 16/99. In Wilson’s pedigree book for that period along side cross No. 23/6 is written ‘TRUTH’ ? with an arrow refering back to No. 22/7. It would appear he was in some doubt as to which selection ‘Truth’ came from.
It would appear that ‘Ave’ does not meet the criteria of your listing.
Also the New Zealand variety ‘Erlicheer’ 1934 was not raised by the Murray Gardiner of Australia as listed in the RHS Classified List of Originators and Registrants. ‘Erlicheer’ was raised in New Zealand in the town of Huntly by a Mr. Gardiner whose initials are unknown. The initial M. has been a mistake by the RHS and carried on into the ADS listing. There was no initial when the flower was first registered by Ron Hyde in 1951. Where the listing simply read ‘Erlicheer’ (Gardiner) Hyde, 1951.
I notice the ADS are considering altering the age grouping for historics and thought this may be of interest.
The Historic sub committee of the NZNDS are proposing the following changes to historic daffodils for exhibition (yet to be confirmed by the NDS Executive)
The show regulation No. 7 Historic Daffodils
(a) Historic daffodils exhibited at New Zealand National Daffodil Society shows will be shown under 3 groups:
Heritage pre 1900
Vintage 1900 – 1939
Classic 1940 – 1960
(b) All historic classes are to be judged on form and symmetry relating to the age of the cultivar’s introduction. Where two dates are recorded for a cultivar in the Register, the earlier date is the one that will be recognized. Exhibitors are requested to include the name of the cultivar and the date of registration on the name card, failure to do so will result in the entry being marked NAS. All cultivars must be registered and appear in the current International Daffodil Register and Classified List. Note: cultivars in the International Register that are listed as unregistered will not be eligible for competion as are divisions 10, 12 and 13.
(c) A bloom will be selected as the Premier Historic cultivar – it shall be at the discretion of the judge or judges to choose any other additional blooms to go forward for further premier selection. If any of these additional blooms prove to be the Champion Bloom of the show, this will then supersede the Historic Premier previously chosen.
Cheers,
John
Historian
John A. Hunter
195 Patons Road
R.D.1 Richmond
Nelson
New Zealand
Phone 64 3 544 0011
195 Patons Road
R.D.1 Richmond
Nelson
New Zealand
Phone 64 3 544 0011
John, your message is very timely as the Historic group within the American Iris Society is running a survey of how to list their historic iris and divide the years. I will look seriously at your way of doing it and consider my input accordingly. Thanks for this history of the culivars also.
Carolyn Hawkins, Jonesboro, GA