Two double narcissus poeticus

May 30, 2012

Categories: Daffodil Types, Historics, Standards

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I’ve got these two double N poeticus in my collection. The one called “traditional” is old in the eastern parts of Norway, and one of its specific traits is that many buds just dry in without opening. Some years ago I got another one, with a known history back to the 1930s in Oslo. To me this one looks more like a cultivar. They are both equally scented. I have checked DaffSeek, there are two double W-W ones older than 1950, but none of them is similar to mine. Has anyone any idea what “Double narcissus 1930s” can be?

Mari in Norway

Mari Marstein Konservator Gamle Hvam museum, Store-Hvamsvegen 26, 2165 Hvam Tel: 46 54 42 48



8 responses to “Two double narcissus poeticus”

  1. David Adams says:
    Hi Mari
    Go to Daffseek and click on to ‘Plenus’ and you will have information on the flower you have shown.
    I also used to grow a double poeticus except it had much fuller form and was deeper red than this one.
    David Adams
  2. David Adams says:

    Hi Mari,

    Further to my previous note. Many of the older doubles have a problem with ‘blasting.’ That is the bud forms but does not fully form and flower. I often thought that this was caused by dry growing conditions but others may know better on that. Maybe it is just a characteristic of some of the older cultivars.
  3. Mari Marstein says:

    Thank you, David! I have heard three reasons why it won’t flower: 1. Too dry conditions 2. Too packed soil, too packed bulbs 3. Frost after the buds have formed I have two different clones in the garden at the museum where I work, and concerning the one in the photos named “1930s” all buds develop every year! I wonder why…


  4. Ethel Smith, Minnesota Ethel Smith says:

    I’m no expert but could it be Daphne?

  5. Jason Delaney says:

    Wow!  So that’s what they look like when they flower in a climate supportive of their flowering!  I can only imagine they smell heavenly!

    Thanks for posting, Drew.  Alas, I’m no help on these.  Can’t flower them here.


  6. Ben Zonneveld says:

    I think the reason the double flowers often don’t open their buds as the auxin produced by the antheres is not there to complete the cycleing.

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  7. Duncan and Kate Donald says:

    Good evening Everybody,

    Apologies for not responding to e-mails at the moment, but we are enjoying the most glorious weather here, so we’re cracking on outside as much as possible.  As Mari will understand, we can work almost around the clock at this time of year.

    Coming in for a wee sit down, I’ve looked at the attachments, and reckon they are as follows: the Doublenarcissus1930s is N. poeticus ‘Flore Pleno’ “Spalding form”, i.e. exhibits coronal petaloid segments with a red edge (the red edge has faded, which is common, particularly in sunny weather).

    Double narcissus traditional is N. poeticus ‘Flore Pleno’ “Tamar Valley form”, in which the coronal petaloid segments are either absent or much smaller and are not edged with red.  In dry seasons, the buds don’t open – not usually a problem here, but was a nuisance for flower growers in the valley, where the condition was called “deav”.  (The river Tamar is the county boundary between Devon and Cornwall in the far west of England; the valley is very steep in parts and the south-facing slopes were second only to the Isles of Scilly for producing early daffs.)

    Must awa’ outside again – doing up our old clinker loch boat so that I can go creeling for our tea, as well as working on the croft.

    By the way, the new website is up and running.  If I manage to get to grips with Facebook, you’ll know that it’s begun to rain again.

    With very best wishes to everybody,


    P.S.  Sara, Thank you so much for the lit. refs – for drought, substitute monsoon.

  8. Drew Mc Farland says:


    I believe what you are saying is in line with information Ron Scamp has given me before.  I think I have both types here, although the Spalding is more likely to bloom.  Have you ever experienced these blooming as recurvus and not a double?  I need to do some more tracking, but think this may occasionally happen.

    Jason…surprised they never bloom at all for you.  “Blasting” is common for them, but it’s rare to get none at all here.